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new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby marzametal » Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:04 am

Man, I can't tell which thread has a new post anymore... lmao!

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Re: issues resolving/routing to 1stpharmacy.us

Postby DesuStrike » Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:56 am

marzametal wrote:Man, I can't tell which thread has a new post anymore... lmao!


As far as the legend goes we should look for dices with white dots or white and orange dots but all in all I agree that the new design is overall very confusing. Normal text looks like quotes, the text has little contrast to the background and somehow it literary hurts my eyes and I get dizzy looking at the forum overview. I guess because my eyes can't decide where to focus.

But I'm just the cleaner here who wipes away the spam, so don't complain to me. ;) :lol:

Still: Is there an option in the UCP to switch back to the old design?
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Re: issues resolving/routing to 1stpharmacy.us

Postby marzametal » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:24 am

DesuStrike wrote:
marzametal wrote:Man, I can't tell which thread has a new post anymore... lmao!


As far as the legend goes we should look for dices with white dots or white and orange dots but all in all I agree that the new design is overall very confusing. Normal text looks like quotes, the text has little contrast to the background and somehow it literary hurts my eyes and I get dizzy looking at the forum overview. I guess because my eyes can't decide where to focus.

But I'm just the cleaner here who wipes away the spam, so don't complain to me. ;) :lol:

Still: Is there an option in the UCP to switch back to the old design?


I was referring to the forum skin prior to the one with the dice (current one). It was active for a day or so... and yes, I will complain to you! WAHHHH WAHHHH WAHHHH *stomps e-foot*

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cant read new forum colors

Postby spotshot » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:43 am

I cant read this new forum layout, my eyes are not what
they use to be and everything is way to dark.
I can hardly see the pips on the dice icons, and I can not tell
what is new post or old post.

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Re: issues resolving/routing to 1stpharmacy.us

Postby DesuStrike » Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:20 am

*ouch*
I wonder what the temporary design looked like.

Well I must admit one thing: I love dark websites because they are way more relaxing to the eyes when it gets dark outside. So this theme is kinda a two-edged sword. I guess I will enjoy it eventually when I get used to the dices.

PS: I'll merge our off-topic talking with spotshots thread so things stay neat an clean. *whips out the swab*
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:00 am

Ok, well in my absence some of the tech staff got tired of waiting for "someone" to update the old forum style. Why update it? Because, sadly, it was written for an older rev of phpBB and nobody was maintaining it - so with each new release of phpBB, it got a bit more out of alignment with the core package and more and more little annoying bugs showed up. We patched a few, ignored a few... but in the end we're not in the business of maintaining forum style templates and it's just not going to get much staff time allocation.

So we've talked about changing the style, and I think someone asked if the members here had any suggestions. But, understandably, other issues are a bigger priority and so the style thing just falls through the cracks. It happens.

Someone, who will go unnamed to protect the guilty, made a wise choice: update the style with whatever strikes his/her fancy. If people hate it, well perhaps they'll be motivated to suggest better ones! Gotta admit, it's an effective trick - not one I'd condone, but hey I wasn't around and so it goes...

Thus, here's the deal:

ANYONE can - and is encouraged to - recommend a different/better style than this current one. So long as it's current with the current phpBB build, we'll load 'er up and give it a try. It's not a great deal of work. We do want to stay with one style, versus letting everyone choose their own, as that can become a maintenance nightmare. But, within that, please do find something cool and we'll post it to production for testing for a day or three.

Also, remember we can modify everything about the styles: they're just CSS. So, for example, someone (<ahem> Graze) on a dare "pink-ified" some of the text on this style, because he didn't think we'd let him do it. You can see the results :-P Anyway, it's all easy to modify (within reason) - especially colours for fonts and backgrounds and stuff. If you want those changed, get us a hex value for the one you suggest (some of us are colourblind - as you can likely guess from the colour choices around here) and we can do the CSS updates. Heck, show yourself as too competent & we'll stick you with a permissions mask that allows you to mod the styles yourself, directly. Problem solved.

There's a bunch of cool styles out there for phpBB - too many, almost, as it can become overwhelming to even look thru them. Particularly for those of us with not design skills, it's all a bit much. But I am sure folks here have some expertise, and can help point in the right direction. We're pretty flexible in terms of what works best - if everyone likes it, then it's good. That's the standard, basically.

Thanks for helping - and for appreciating the evil cleverness of updating to a freaky style in order to motivate community input ;-)
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:41 pm

Hmmm.. This is indeed the work an evil genius. We must give him that.

Unfortunately I'm a design idiot myself and I'd probably choose some weird style that resembles a terminal with cliché greentext like this one over here: http://androtransfer.com/

I'm just a total sucker for everything black with a neon green in it. :lol:

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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 am

DesuStrike wrote:I'm just a total sucker for everything black with a neon green in it. :lol


If that were a phpBB style, I'd install it this evening & that'd be that!

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Postby Rider » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:16 am

I love dark colors specifically black. However, it gets extremely hard to read and not good for my eyes at all. I can't stare at dark colors for a long amount of time.

I would prefer light colors something white background or whatever but again majority wins :)


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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby Guest » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:35 am

I'm new here and thank goodness this thread is up. I had the hardest time registering because the little boxes where you input your info have no contrast. They fade into the black. I had to highlight the page and try to find the boxes. Fortunately my last pass puts a little icon inside some of the boxes that need to be filled in so was able to find most of those. The box for the solution to the equation was a b--ch to find. I finally just clicked around on the page under the other boxes till I stumbled onto it.

I'm not a fan of dark background/white type. Older eyes (mine at 58) cannot take much of this. Too much stress on the eyes. The light gray type is extra difficult. I have to move my monitor so the light changes to read the top part of the monitor -- the top of the screen (where the date and time is) is almost all black unless I stand up.

The Preview Submit Cancel buttons under a post are almost invisible: no contrast.

Thanks for asking. :)

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Postby Pattern_Juggled » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:08 am

Thanks to @DesuStrike, we've (finally) got a new forum style.

I'm told by folks that some of the colours are non-optimal. That's, err, my fault: I have poor colour perception, so having me choose colours is a bit like having a dolphin select a good den for a family of badgers... just not a great match.

So, here's the site that allows for customisation of colour schemes for this style package: if you've got colour capability, and want to take a swing at it, we're happy to stick it in production. Feedback so far is that "the purple makes the text hard to read, but the rest of the colours are good" - whatever the hell that actually means, don't ask me! ;-)

http://www.colorizeit.com/styles/phpbb- ... black.html

...have fun. Oh, and if you make a package with this, just tar it and stick it on this thread as an attachment. They're not that big. Also, one could perhaps screenshot the underlying colours, using the "test run" feature of that tool, and thus allow folks to get a sense of it before we stick it into production and everyone goes surly again. :oops:
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:17 am

Hey PJ,
didn't you get the blue and green ones I sent you?

Anyways here are those again:

Green (my fav!):


Blue:
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby Guest » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:00 pm

I don't have too much experience with phpBB, but here are some styles I found:

Dark FX
http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/DarkFX?sid=a15a7a25e28c8e18247e861f1e466fad


Black Pearl
http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Black+Pearl


Pro Formell
http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/proFormell


Alpha
http://demo.phpbb3styles.net/Alpha

I'm no artist, but they are at least readable. One of the biggest annoyances with the current theme is that the purple links don't stand out at all and I have to hover over them to read them.

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Postby Pattern_Juggled » Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:55 pm

I actually think some of the suggestions in the last guest post look pretty nice - but rather than jiggering too much, I've gone and simply re-colourised the existing style. Feedback appreciated, as we're still counting on a colourblind fellow (me) to make colour choices which is, perhaps, not the best plan in the world :-P
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:42 pm

Its definitely better readable than before but a lot of people will still call it "eye-cancerous" as it's very bright.
How about I screenshot some good slider settings and you try to match those as close as you can?
This would probably bring a reasonable result.

I'll just do it! brb ;)
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Sat Feb 08, 2014 1:48 pm

Here you go! Please use these slider positions. I hope that helps.
On a side note it's interesting to see that color-blind people tend to like strong (and I mean STRONG) contrasts. Maybe not so unexpected after all because what else is left to differentiate from colors if the color itself is not visible?

Bah me and my blabbering... Here is the picture:



change note: By mistyping a word I made our good 'ol PJ entirely sightless. Sorry for that. ;) Fixed!
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:50 pm

Well ok... Now that I see you are literally at this moment at it to rebrand the forum according to the current theme I assume there won't be too many changes in the future, eh?
On the other hand: These letters in the header picture can always be recolored with two clicks.

PS: Looking at this rectangular picture on top of the forum I must say it very closely resembles something I intended to create myself. You know? The thing I sent you a mail about recently. ;)
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Postby Pattern_Juggled » Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:01 pm

DesuStrike wrote:On a side note it's interesting to see that color-blind people tend to like strong (and I mean STRONG) contrasts. Maybe not so unexpected after all because what else is left to differentiate from colors if the color itself is not visible?


That's pretty much spot-on.

I'm literally shooting in the dark on this, and when I'm moving those sliders around there's big chunks of terrain that look identical to me... except for subtle shifting of dark/light balance. Then suddenly I can see a jump in actual colour, followed by a span of "is the slider working - it all looks the same?"

Anyway, with that slider you can then have the tool auto-build a zipped installer for the style. Do that, download it, and stick it on here as an attachment - if you really want to try a different colour scheme.

The header logo is just the lame-ass one I came up with one night, last fall, when the widget development team informed me they needed a "splash screen" for the widget itself. So it'll be familiar to widget-based members :-)

As with essentially all of our graphical elements at this point in time, if you hate that logo then whip up an alternative version. Most likely, we'll go with it (and provide proper credit to you, as creator, as well as some tokens to show appreciation). We just don't invest heavily in design on this team (yes, I know, it certainly shows!)... mostly because we end up not taking the time to do it. But, over the years, we've been fortunate to occasionally have a gifted artist swing through and leave us some inspired work. That's more our style, anyway: entwined with the community, rather than pushed top-down from the internal team onto the project overall.

Another thing we're doing, for now, is keeping some flux in our "branding.' The textbook says "fix the brand in stone, and then hammer away at that to build recognition." Well, um... fuck that. Mostly just because we don't really go for textbook answers around here. And also because we like the diversity and organic fluidity of allowing the brand to evolve, and grow, and morph as part of its interaction with the community and the larger world. It just seems more... honest.

The challenge always stands: don't like something about some part of our graphical presentation? Good - we probably don't like it much, either! Propose an alternative, and we'll give it a run. Worst-case, we'll put a poll together & see what the vote-count looks like when everyone gets a chance to take a look.
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby parityboy » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:24 pm

@thread

This is less of a themeing issue, but I've just noticed that the CODE tags use a proportional font. This turns things like routing table and traceroute outputs into a mangled mess (at least in the preview). Any chance of forcing something like Courier (or other fixed font) when using CODE tags?

Many thanks. :)

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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby DesuStrike » Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:48 pm

Well then I will point to the green zip I already posted here: viewtopic.php?p=8245#p8245
:P

About that logo: I actually already sat down with someone discussing why CS has no real logo and how to fix that so we can plaster the intarwebs and meatspace with it. We didn't come to a conclusion yet as we are both not the most creative people on the planet.
However I had the idea to call out some kind of bounty so someone creative from the community might feel motivated to provide a suitable symbol or artwork that fits cryptostorm.
If the unexpected happens and we get a lot of submissions we could make a poll or something.

It's just a wild idea and I wonder if it's worth the effort but I keep it in mind!
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Re: new forum style - feedback, suggestions, etc.

Postby spotshot » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:24 am

fuck yea, I can read this forum across the room
thank you
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