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Apple Introduces Fingerprint Scanning, NSA Approves :)

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Apple Introduces Fingerprint Scanning, NSA Approves :)

Postby Graze » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:00 am

There are a hundred of these... and they fill me with much mirthiness...
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Apple’s Fingerprint ID May Mean You Can’t ‘Take the Fifth’

Postby Graze » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:15 am

Also ... http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/09/th ... the-fifth/


Marcia Hofmann notes:

The privilege against self-incrimination is an important check on the government’s ability to collect evidence directly from a witness. The Supreme Court has made it clear that the Fifth Amendment broadly applies not only during a criminal prosecution, but also to any other proceeding “civil or criminal, formal or informal,” where answers might tend to incriminate us. It’s a constitutional guarantee deeply rooted in English law dating back to the 1600s, when it was used to protect people from being tortured by inquisitors to force them to divulge information that could be used against them.

For the privilege to apply, however, the government must try to compel a person to make a “testimonial” statement that would tend to incriminate him or her...

But a communication is “testimonial” only when it reveals the contents of your mind. We can’t invoke the privilege against self-incrimination to prevent the government from collecting biometrics like fingerprints, DNA samples, or voice exemplars. Why? Because the courts have decided that this evidence doesn’t reveal anything you know. It’s not testimonial.


Thus, my read is that the fingerprint is no better than -- legally speaking, and for Americans -- writing a password down on a piece of paper and leaving it in your files for the .gov to find.

In fact, it's worse in some ways as the moment you are arrested your password -- those prints -- are in their custody. So ... ya. Thanks, Apple. :)

I suspect that somewhere in Southern California (and I sadly can't confirm that this is true, mostly because I just made this shit up) there is a case of scotch at the front door of an Apple executive with the following note on it:

Thank you so very, very much for taking our advice!

Love,
The NSA.

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Re: Apple Introduces Fingerprint Scanning, NSA Approves :)

Postby Rider » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:23 am

Agreed, this is a stupid idea. But a cool/fancy feature to have for show off. :lol:

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biometrics

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:11 am

Years ago, if my memory serves, Bruce Schneier quipped that biometrics are a crappy idea because they're simply passwords that you can never change. Which does sort of put the shoe on the other foot, as it were...
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Re: biometrics

Postby vibert » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:44 pm

Plus having a password can be deniable. A finger not really :)

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Re: Apple Introduces Fingerprint Scanning, NSA Approves :)

Postby Graze » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:59 am

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22 ... uter_club/

http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-b ... le-touchid

Well, that lasted a long time: the Chaos Computer Club has already broken Apple's TouchID fingerprint lock, and warns owners against using biometric ID to protect their data.


No surprise... :P
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Re: Apple Introduces Fingerprint Scanning, NSA Approves :)

Postby Graze » Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:15 pm

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