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CLOSED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby cryptostorm_team » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:46 pm

We've been asked often enough that it's time we made this happen.

This week, cryptostorm is minting a micro-batch of unlimited duration network access tokens. We've decided to refer to them as aleph tokens (in honor of Georg Cantor): א

Pricing has not yet been set. However, those who wish to ensure they have first-chance access to this tranche can do so via a note sent to aleph@cryptostorm.is - no obligation, of course, but rather right of first refusal.

This thread will be updated as pricing & availability finalize.


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby DesuStrike » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:07 am

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invites sent

Postby cryptostorm_ops » Mon Mar 03, 2014 6:47 pm

Invites sent via email. Purchase page enabled... but not being posted publicly until the waitlist has been cleared.

This has been really interesting, technologically. Forced us to stretch our model when it comes to tokens & their temporal behaviours. Useful.

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby Rider » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:51 am

Finally!! Take my $$$

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:43 am

Rider wrote:Finally!! Take my $$$



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Hang in there... We're working on a few things that will affect the size of the tranche, the provisioning of new servers, etc. thus the delays... But we're going ahead with this.

Also, we're going to price what we've tentatively called "Cluster Tokens" for lack of a better phrase: A group of discounted tokens for people who want to securely use more than one for a household (obviously, doing so concurrently opens you up to man in the middle attacks which are ... sub-optimum. :P )

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby Tealc » Wed Mar 26, 2014 5:25 pm

I've also send the e-mail :-) loving cryptostorm


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:32 am

so in plain english, these are lifetime access tokens, lifetime access to cryptostorm

the invitation to purchase one of these is limited till when, assuming one has gotten an invitation?

or is the email invite me, one is on the 'waitlist' , can't understand what ' sequential distribution via waitlist ' means


also being newbie: is 'darknet' synonomous with 'cryptostorm' vpn ?

lastly, with your services, what would be the process to change vpn servers, so that one's IP was randomized from time to time, or is that something done with cryptostorm? thankyou

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby Graze » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:30 am

4*p*tV2b wrote:so in plain english, these are lifetime access tokens, lifetime access to cryptostorm

the invitation to purchase one of these is limited till when, assuming one has gotten an invitation?

You are correct, lifetime tokens, and as of this time I believe there are still a couple left, so if they stay unclaimed it's in theory an unlimited time offer ;) However, we're about to do another set of promos for those, I believe.

4*p*tV2b wrote:or is the email invite me, one is on the 'waitlist' , can't understand what ' sequential distribution via waitlist ' means


We got requests in order, so we're sending out invites in order. Honestly after a few weeks we have to assume people have changed their mind and thus we'd move on.

4*p*tV2b wrote:also being newbie: is 'darknet' synonomous with 'cryptostorm' vpn ?


I'm not the marketing arm, but basically darknet is a cute way to say hidden. There is a reason we have chosen that particular term which has something to do with some cool tech we have coming down the pipes, but at this time it's fine to think of us as a VPN. HOWEVER, we're a really solid post-Snowden VPN with DHE-based PFS (insecure fallbacks disabled) and with a cool and unique decoupled user-systems, thanks to the token concept.


4*p*tV2b wrote:lastly, with your services, what would be the process to change vpn servers, so that one's IP was randomized from time to time, or is that something done with cryptostorm? thankyou


We don't do any automagic floating of IPs around yet, but our v1.0 client (final testing) now has a dropdown for exitnode selection, making it far easier on the windows side to select an exit.

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:18 am

Graze wrote:
4*p*tV2b wrote:so in plain english, these are lifetime access tokens, lifetime access to cryptostorm

the invitation to purchase one of these is limited till when, assuming one has gotten an invitation?

You are correct, lifetime tokens, and as of this time I believe there are still a couple left, so if they stay unclaimed it's in theory an unlimited time offer ;) However, we're about to do another set of promos for those, I believe.

............so, I received a link to something, to allow me to buy lifetime access for the fee ?

4*p*tV2b wrote:or is the email invite me, one is on the 'waitlist' , can't understand what ' sequential distribution via waitlist ' means


We got requests in order, so we're sending out invites in order. Honestly after a few weeks we have to assume people have changed their mind and thus we'd move
4*p*tV2b wrote:also being newbie: is 'darknet' synonomous with 'cryptostorm' vpn ?


I'm not the marketing arm, but basically darknet is a cute way to say hidden. There is a reason we have chosen that particular term which has something to do with some cool tech we have coming down the pipes, but at this time it's fine to think of us as a VPN. HOWEVER, we're a really solid post-Snowden VPN with DHE-based PFS (insecure fallbacks disabled) and with a cool and unique decoupled user-systems, thanks to the token concept.


4*p*tV2b wrote:lastly, with your services, what would be the process to change vpn servers, so that one's IP was randomized from time to time, or is that something done with cryptostorm? thankyou


We don't do any automagic floating of IPs around yet, but our v1.0 client (final testing) now has a dropdown for exitnode selection, making it far easier on the windows side to select an exit.

Hope that helps!

..........so it is not like other VPNs, where one "changes" their server in order to change their IP, sounds more like Tor, when you say exit node, like I'm VPN'ing to your server, but then i'm routed through your network to a particular exit node , that is not random or is random , but in the future, the user can choose which one ?

....do I get to know where the original server is that I'm going to VPN to? with my current VPN, the speed varies greatly when connected to servers further away, so I'd hate to find your network being slower than my current VPN , etc thx

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby parityboy » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:33 pm

I'm not the marketing arm, but basically darknet is a cute way to say hidden. There is a reason we have chosen that particular term which has something to do with some cool tech we have coming down the pipes, but at this time it's fine to think of us as a VPN.


"darknet" = "dark network". I smell "hidden services". :D That would be really cool, services that are available only to the users of this particular darknet. :D


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby justincase » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:50 pm

Hey everyone, just joined the forums and looking around, reading a lot and have just stumbled upon this thread.. already sent an email to the address provided above.

Looking fwd to either this offer or the usual.. whatever will be available.

Thanks for your work guys, this looks like totally different beast and glad to have found it.


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:57 am

is this forum the only way to get tech support?

i'd like to change vpn companies, but need some basic answers , etc

as posted above, to begin with :)

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby parityboy » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:00 am

4*p*tV2b wrote:is this forum the only way to get tech support?

i'd like to change vpn companies, but need some basic answers , etc

as posted above, to begin with :)


If you mean "pre-sales technical info", then yes this is the place. :)


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:23 am

ok fine, well guess, will stick with my vpn then oh well

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby Tealc » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:01 pm

4*p*tV2b wrote:ok fine, well guess, will stick with my vpn then oh well


You cloud try sending a email to support@cryptostorm.is or a tweet to @cryptostorm_is (they answer very fast here)

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby parityboy » Sun Apr 13, 2014 4:27 pm

@4*p*tV2b

Why can you not ask questions here? The people on this forum (staff and users) are pretty knowledgeable bunch, we'd be more than happy to help you out. :)


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:01 am

well you see , I did ask a question , will try again

in sum: with my current VPN, I change servers every so often, and get a new IP, which I assume, gives me some anonymity, so I'm assuming I would want to do the same with cryptostorm.
2) my current VPN, I have the option to speed test, which server is fastest then connect to that one, the milliseconds make a difference, I don't know if this is how cryptostorm would work at all, doesn't seem like there is any similarity?

.....so I had asked these questions, as shown in previous post:


..........so it is not like other VPNs, where one "changes" their server in order to change their IP, sounds more like Tor, when you say exit node, like I'm VPN'ing to your server, but then i'm routed through your network to a particular exit node , that is not random or is random , but in the future, the user can choose which one ?

....do I get to know where the original server is that I'm going to VPN to? with my current VPN, the speed varies greatly when connected to servers further away, so I'd hate to find your network being slower than my current VPN , etc thx

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby parityboy » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:23 am

@4*p*tV2b

In reality, such questions should be posted here, however I will try to answer them for you.

1. I think the CryptoStorm widget for Windows allows you to select which territory you wish to exit from. Currently Canada, Germany, Iceland and United States are available for use. If you do not wish to use the widget, you can use the standard OpenVPN client and import the "raw" config files into it, one per exit location. CS does not "auto switch" exit nodes, like Tor does.

2. I don't think CryptoStorm has an on-network speed test, also according to the tech staff, speed tests such as Speedtest.net don't tell the whole story anyway. What I can tell you is that other users (myself included) can easily max out our connections using applications such as BitTorrent.


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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby 4*p*tV2b » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:49 am

thanks, and good point, on where to post, makes sense

but, so, it's not the exit point that i'm thinking its where I enter the network that I think will have a bearing on the speed of this VPN vs. another seems to me


parityboy wrote:@4*p*tV2b

In reality, such questions should be posted here, however I will try to answer them for you.

1. I think the CryptoStorm widget for Windows allows you to select which territory you wish to exit from. Currently Canada, Germany, Iceland and United States are available for use. If you do not wish to use the widget, you can use the standard OpenVPN client and import the "raw" config files into it, one per exit location. CS does not "auto switch" exit nodes, like Tor does.

2. I don't think CryptoStorm has an on-network speed test, also according to the tech staff, speed tests such as Speedtest.net don't tell the whole story anyway. What I can tell you is that other users (myself included) can easily max out our connections using applications such as BitTorrent.

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby parityboy » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:19 pm

@4*p*tV2b

The entrance and exit nodes are the same. You enter and exit though the same exit cluster. If you enter the Iceland cluster, you exit through the Iceland cluster. :)

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby VIKINGFR » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:38 pm

Hello,

this tread is a little bit old now, no answer about pricing & availibilty at this moment.

Is this "offer" still open ? or closed ?

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Re: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration tranche

Postby jlg » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:11 am

I hope some are left. I wonder how much they cost though hmmm?...

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ANOTHER BATCH OF 16 - OPENING TOMORROW

Postby cryptostorm_team » Sun Aug 17, 2014 3:02 am

Direct link: cryptostorm.is/aleph.html

Sorry for the lack of information directly on this thread - our original batch of "aleph" tokens (lifetime tokens - for unlimited access to our VPN servers into the future) were snapped up in the spring and we never got to send out too many details publicly before the offer had to be closed.

However, we're now planning on restarting some growth again in September, both in our network reach (our Asia server, among other locations, for example) and in staffing. We will be moving from a "well, we've definitely proven that the tech works" stage, to a "now let's get the word out to average people who don't even know that they want the best encryption!" stage very quickly in the next couple months: We are adding biz-type people to help us network people on the growth side of the company.

Before they get here and ruin the party, however, cryptostorm is thinking of minting another micro-batch of sixteen unlimited duration network access tokens. What are these things? They give the purchaser:

  • A token that provides Lifetime access to our network
  • A lifetime, anonymous email address (currently hosted in Iceland on dedicated hardware)

Cost will be $256USD. If you currently have a token, show us and we'll refund that amount. If you're interested, this is possibly the last time we'll do this (we have heard that the MBA-crowd is as big a fan of customers who pay only once. :) ) so email us at aleph@cryptostorm.is and we'll email you details in a first-come, first-served, order.

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Postby vpnDarknet » Sun Aug 17, 2014 2:52 pm

Fantastic guys, great to hear more server locations are on the cards, but how am I meant to sell tokens if you're signing members up for life? ;)

Love the symbolisim of the price point!

One question: If a user has constant login credentials, does this mitigate personal security in anyway?

Best of luch with the expansion and future endeavers!
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Re: RE-OPENED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby jlg » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:32 pm

I'm buying one, take my Bitcoins! :-)

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Re: RE-OPENED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby marzametal » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:14 am

Damn, tempted to snap one up just for the anonymous email address... lol

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Re: RE-OPENED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby cryptostorm_team » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:00 am

vpnDarknet wrote:Fantastic guys, great to hear more server locations are on the cards, but how am I meant to sell tokens if you're signing members up for life? ;)
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Just thought that this comment from one of our beloved resellers is quite fair and deserved an answer.

We thought about this, and we will sell lifetime tokens to re-sellers, as well, of course - but the numbers we release are very limited, leaving lots of room for the sale of non-lifetime durations.

Also, a more general note...

A number of team members were off on vacations and such, and in the next few weeks we'll be back into full swing with a few growth and hardening plans. We have at least one new exitnode in the works for the near future, and likely more. Plus we're bringing on some business savvy types to help us buff up our image. In our humble opinion, we're awesome, but it has often been pointed out by our customers and resellers that there has been very little work from our team to spread that word (by responding to some of the many inquiries from the press, etc.) that we've basically not had time for, because we were running a network.

Most of (arguably, almost all of) our growth has been due to "word of mouth" from good people like you, our resellers and our customers, who just happened upon us and liked what we were doing. To get to the next level of smacking down the big guys, we'll need to play a tiny corner of "their game." This we will do - but we won't do so without keeping our cheeky edge. ;)

Back onto the topic of Aleph tokens - for those who made it thru the gauntlet of our recent battle with PayPal, apologies on the delay in sending out the email account details for this round - that work was backlogged thanks to the team dealing with the drama we had with both PayPal and our bitcoin systems which has delayed things on our end, but the details should be sent out in the next day or two.

Thanks again, and if you have any issues, just vent them. :)
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Postby vpnDarknet » Wed Sep 03, 2014 11:22 am

Thanks for the info man, although like sarcasm and irony, it's difficult to express that I was been facetious in text :)

Hope you can find someone who fits the culture, to help market and spread the word of Cryptostorm to the unwashed masses.

Looking forward to the new exit node, any clues on the planned location?
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Re: RE-OPENED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby cryptostorm_team » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:23 am

Just a quick update on the emails.

First off, note that we're not really an email company. These email accounts (and the lifetime tokens) are created as one-off's, so there's a bit of time involved. But the real issue is that we were arguing in the team about the best way to get the credentials to the users securely, and we stalled for a bit because we just didn't want to do so insecurely. We think we have a fairly simple but effective method now that works for everyone (some of you use BitMessage and OTR, so for you it's less of an issue.) We still have to do a bit of setup for it, however. We'll try to get that done over the next twenty-four hours or so, depending on staff availability.

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Postby Lunar » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:38 pm

Sent an email to claim my spot when they come out. :D

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Re: RE-OPENED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby cryptostorm_team » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:00 am

Note that the email credentials have been sent out.

If you don't see a note about how to access your credentials, please contact support@cryptostorm.is - it's possible we've missed a couple people (our record keeping sucks, by definition as we're a privacy company and don't really have any records :) ) especially if we used OTR/BitMessage/etc to hook you up with your token originally.

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Re: aleph tokens batch closed

Postby Graze » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:25 am

At this point the batch is pretty well spoken for. A few folks are still completing purchases via this or that nonconventional payment procedures; beyond that, the tranche is now officially... closed! :!:

(we've had a few folks contact us to be in queue if one of these final alephs from the batch comes available again: we can't make any promises, obviously, but if you drop a note to aleph@cryptostorm.is we'll grab from that queue if one comes open - there might also be a couple that were minted for staff use but are not needed due to duplication... so it's likely the queue will get knocked down by at least a few alephs that come open this week or next)

Already we've been asked what the procedure is for recovering lost alephs. That is, someone who has purchased one loses it for one reason or another, and comes to us to have it re-issued (basically just providing them the token again - not making a new one). This is awkward. We don't keep purchase records, by definition, so there's no way for us to validate if someone comes to us and claims to be the owner of a particular aleph. Given the small batches issued, we can - sometimes - come up with a good "challenge question" to validate someone is who they say they are... but that's totally nonstandard and open to all sorts of corner-state hiccups.

Which is to say: please don't lose your aleph! Don't count on us being able to 'recover' it for you, because we work hard not to be able to do that, so you're going against the grain big-time in doing so! We won't be churlish about it if disaster strikes and your aleph goes awol... but understand that we can't guarantee it's going to be possible and, frankly, we'll be happier if we can't do it than if we can. So fair warning, eh?

I'm going to suggest we wind down this thread and pull it from global announcements, since it's mostly run it's course... although it'll stay technically open in case there's follow-on questions.

Finally, we've been asked by lots of folks whether there will be more alephs in the future. The answer, as best I can summarise team thoughts on the subject, is: maybe, but most likely not. We're worried we under-priced these tranches - which is no crisis as we were happy to get them into the hands of folks who will get much value from them over the years. Still, in formal economic terms they're tough to settle on the balance sheet and we'd likely err on the side of upped pricing in the future. What would those prices be? I really don't have a sense from the team, at this point. Perhaps one more ^2 up from 2^8 is my hunch, fwiw.

On a personal note, thanks for the understanding as these got issued out - along with email addresses - in what was unquestionably a manual & ad-hoc process. We never intended to make alephs a big-volume offer, and thus never smoothed the rough edges of the issuance process. We were pretty sure that our members would understand how it goes, and so they did. Thanks for that. :thumbup:

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complimentary "activist alephs"

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:31 am

A number of alephs have been provided to hard-charging frontline activists who, we felt, had more than earned the peace of mind of lifetime network security protection online. Generally this process happens behind the scenes and isn't mentioned publicly.

On behalf of the team, I'd like to thank those who received these "activist alephs" - it's a group of folks putting their asses on the line to ensure a better, healthier, more diverse future for us all. Kudos and then some!

Cheers,

    ~ pj

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Re: CLOSED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby vpnDarknet » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:49 pm

This is fantastic to hear, that the service provided helps moral causes :)

& PJ, your eloquent posts have been missed man!
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Re: CLOSED: aleph tokens ~ unlimited duration batch

Postby Pattern_Juggled » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:24 am

vpnDarknet wrote:& PJ, your eloquent posts have been missed man!


...eloquent posts? Someone must have been posting to my account unauthorised, since nothing I've written in decades would likely qualify as "eloquent!" :D

Cheers,

    ~ pj


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